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Brian's avatar

I think the reason Christians should prepare for what lies ahead is to provide a safe place or sanctuary for those in their community who will be in need. I see the red horse and black horse, with the resulting loss of human life as being before the prophesied persecution. We may have a long dark, road ahead of us before we are relieved of our witness on this earth. Jesus did say that those who try to save their lives will lose it, but those who are willing to lose their lives for His sake will keep it. The idea of caring for those in our immediate surroundings has mostly vanished from the church. It has been replaced with the 'focus on the family', which in my opinion is just a softer variant of the prosperity gospel. Historically the focus of believing Christians was the Church, not the family. When the Church was the central. organizing structure of the christian life we ran hospitals, schools, universities, homeless shelters, orphanages, etc. We were salt and light and the rest of the world saw our good works and glorified out Father in heaven. The prosperity gospel and Christian feminism changed all that by funneling a large majority of the churches tithes into multi-thousand person campuses and feel good, self help messaging instead of community support programs. I believe it is this shallow, narcissist re-framing of Jesus teachings that has laid the groundwork for the collapse of western civilization. There are a few exceptions. The recent charges against an Ohio pastor who refuses to stop sheltering the homeless is one example. This should be what every church in North America does, but for some reason Christians appeal to the increasingly unbelieving state to obey the very commands that Christ gave to his followers.

Peace

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Christine Grace's avatar

100% spot on! I am ever sooooowwww greatfull for this thread of TRUTH here today in THENOWHERE

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Attav's avatar

It's better to testify before wicked people than to exist in an echo chamber. Tell them to bring it on. We all die anyways. Is not our very lives in the hands of God? Is it in a gun? Or land? Or money? Or connections?

If we accept reality if what it is, we look to the future promise and this world can go to hell.

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Terry Wolfe's avatar

People are afraid of glory. They don't recognize it when they see it. They see broken people and defeat. I think they would turn from the cross in shame if they saw it.

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ClearMiddle's avatar

I maintained a witness to the former church I mentioned above, for several years. When they began a "study" series promoting critical race theory, several people I knew invited me to attend and I did, reluctantly, for one session and the beginning of a second, long enough to tell them why I wasn't staying for the rest. Neither God nor sin was considered in this series. They said that would be in another series, later. It's the second former church I've seen infiltrated and destroyed this way.

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Christine C's avatar

Great article. I do think it's wise to be a bit prepared food/water/warmth-wise. That's just being prudent. But agree we're not supposed to hide in a bunker, or protect our material stuff with guns. Much of my church family is talking about the rapture as they want God to "get us out of here." I feel sad and concerned about their attitude that God won't allow them to suffer (e.g., we're not destined to "wrath.") When people aren't taken away when suffering increases (from wrath of the devil and wrath of man, not God), many will fall away. Terry/others on this stack- what are your thoughts on this?

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Pirate Studebaker's avatar

I think what you've said, "many will fall away" is exactly the intent of the rapture. It's a trap. It's obviously not biblical. Jesus would not have kept it "secret" from us as He hid nothing.

Unfortunately, clinging to a rapture is cowardly and who is listed as first to go into the lake of fire? Cowards. Ahead of all others.

I live in poverty due to what happened during the "plandemic" and I can't afford to pay bills much longer. I'm older and have chronic illnesses and honestly I'm finding it harder and harder to play along with this world any longer. So, I've purchased an excellent tent and most of what is needed and I plan to go into a sparsely populated area and let others know, who are homeless, where I am so we can spend our time "knowing God down to our bones" as I like to say.

I don't see this as running away but running to. I've prayed a good deal about it and so far God tells me through the Holy Spirit this is what I am to do. Believe me, there are aspects that could scare me deeply, but if God is sending me, I go. If God tells me something different, I won't go. I am in His more than capable hands and that's how my fears vanished. I have love and joy and peace beyond understanding.

I know of people who are moving to isolationist enclaves of like-minded "Christians" where they will be heavily armed and fortified, but that seems far off the narrow path and I can't see how that is following Jesus. These enclaves would never allow someone like me to come and live with them simply because I don't have a quarter or half a million dollars to "buy into" their "sanctuary". I see what they are trying to do as ridiculous.

Will I be easy to capture for persecution? Yes, I will. Was Jesus easily captured? Yes, He was. Do I follow Him? I try.

If you need to stay close to the people you describe, stand strong in the Truth and don't let their misbegotten ways harden your tender heart of flesh. It is precious to our Savior. How do I know? He said so.

Love God with everything you have.

Love one another ( as I have loved you ).

These are our greatest weapons against their evil.

All glory to God.

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Terry Wolfe's avatar

What a powerful testimony, Studebaker! I'm sorry to hear about your suffering, but at the same time, you are in a position to set an example, and your testimony is inspiring to me personally. I've been blessed with a stable situation until now, but every day I pray to God and admit that I'm not entitled to any of it. It could all disappear tomorrow and I would have no right to blame God. If you check the other comments you'll see that I agree with your assessment of the Rapture.

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Pirate Studebaker's avatar

Thank you for letting me know you agree about the rapture. I value your opinion.

I'm glad what I wrote means something to you. That's what I hope for. But as everyone who knows knows, it's the Holy Spirit who has shaped my experiences to God's will. He loves each one of us so much, with such specificity (I'm pretty sure this is what is meant by "every hair on your head"), he gives every single one of us exactly what we need to grow in faith and love for Him. All we have to do is desire it and He gives it. So, what's happened to me is for my own damn good. ha. And little miracle upon little miracle, so it is. I may have some moments of confusion, but if I trust Him and remember how He loves me, I can see it is all for the good. Mine, yours and everybody's. To His glory.

I hear people say they wish things could "go back to normal" and I say - were things really that good the way they were? Wasn't the world already so filled with evil and hatred it was nothing to ever want to return to? Honestly, if we could go back to the way it was wouldn't that just be a sad and awful little compromise? Where is God's magnificence and glory in that?

Because what He is in the process of making for us is going to blow us away.

All we have to do is keep the faith and endure until the end.

I LOVE YOU, JESUS!

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ClearMiddle's avatar

We have such a perverted view of "progress". I hear people, pastors even, talk about the amazing things we have accomplished in the modern world, almost always mentioning the ability to "cure disease". Hardly anyone seems to understand that the science and technology behind this all this amazing stuff, typically developed originally in the pursuit of better weaponry or some other such cause, has poisoned us all terribly, CAUSED most of this disease, and brought the world to the brink of extinction.

That is a great deal of detail to be overlooking.

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Sue's avatar

An excellent and truthful comment. Yes, I've always seen the notion of 'progress' as being - rather than inevitable and good - a thing designed so by the satanic 1%. We're surrounded by debility and ill health.

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Marie Boland's avatar

Great comments, and great witnesses. Thank you all for sharing your thoughts and experiences.

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ClearMiddle's avatar

Similar situation here. I hadn't considered your "tent" idea until now, but I am physically weak and dependent upon having a reasonably comfortable place to live, and I had considered something like a van or camper, if needed.

I have been damaged since before birth (pharmaceutical exposure in utero, most likely) and I didn't expect to live this long (73) or see what we've seen the last few years, but here we are.

There are a few things I can do, but the principle one is to trust God. Isolating and stockpiling guns and ammo are not among them.

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Pirate Studebaker's avatar

I am so sorry for your circumstances. I am trusting God will guide me to a piece of land I can share, so if you want to stay in touch, here's my email :

I'm far from personally strong these days, but my mantra has become God's answer to Paul :

My grace is sufficient for thee; for my strength is made perfect in weakness.

If you want to check out the tent it's by Springbar - The Classic Jack 140 Hot Tent.

They say one person can put it up, so I'm relying on that to be true.

With God all things are possible.

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ClearMiddle's avatar

It's been an interesting life. Lots of lessons. Lots of mistakes to learn from.

2 Cor. 12:9. I know it well. It would make a good Greek memory verse:

καὶ εἴρηκέν μοι, Ἀρκεῖ σοι ἡ χάρις μου, ἡ γὰρ δύναμις ἐν ἀσθενείᾳ τελεῖται. ἥδιστα οὖν μᾶλλον καυχήσομαι ἐν ταῖς ἀσθενείαις μου, ἵνα ἐπισκηνώσῃ ἐπ’ ἐμὲ ἡ δύναμις τοῦ Χριστοῦ.

I like to translate sometimes without all the clean-up that goes into the published translations, but rather just making essential minor word order adjustments, leaving the rest of the order as it is so as to retain the original writer's emphasis. The Greek is much more flexible in regard to word order.

"But he said to me, 'Sufficient for you is my grace, for my power in weakness is completed.' Most gladly, therefore, I will boast in my weaknesses, in order that may dwell in me the power of Christ."

I see that "my power" is a textual variant. The most common literal reading of the preferred variant would be "the power", but here I think "my power" makes as much sense.

I will mention that tent to my housemate, who sometimes buys tents for homeless people. I don't think we have tents in stock right now, but there are sleeping bags and all kinds of clothing in the living and dining rooms. I call it her "warehouse". It's her house, so she can do that. I'm the (long-term) boarder, not currently working with the homeless. I do miss it.

It's good to have ways to stay in touch. My Substack email, which can be found on my About page by people who read such things, is clearmiddle@pm.me.

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Brian's avatar

Brother Studebaker, if you are in the Eastern provinces of Canada, or are able or willing to get there, a brother in Christ and I have land which you could stay on. Our intent is to create a community that produces enough food to feed itself and our surrounding neighbours. It is in a zone 6, so much easier to winter in than most of Canada. My hope is to get out there this summer and start getting structures in place for next year.

We also have a design for a cabin that starts as a wall tent and can be slowly expanded as finances permit to form a living space of about 400 sq ft. The first stage is about $2,500. We did this to make is possible for almost anyone to survive outside of the beast system. Let me know if you're interested and perhaps Mr Wolfe can connect us.

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Terry Wolfe's avatar

I'll repeat what I said in the other comment, since it also mentioned the rapture:

My interpretation is that Christians of this age are not included in it. We are meant to go to Heaven the old fashioned way. After we're dead, Revelation describes the 144,000 Israelites who become the focal point of prophecy, and I believe it is they who are "raptured" and gathered into the clouds to join us, when we come back down to earth with Jesus to set up the Millennial Kingdom. They are raptured, and at the same time transformed into their new bodies.

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ClearMiddle's avatar

A certain amount of preparation is common sense. We have some vegetables growing in raised beds in back, some gallons of filtered water in reserve that we rotate, and some foods in the pantry that don't require refrigeration, along with a Coleman stove we bought when the kitchen was being remodeled. And that's about all. No guns, although I do have past experience with them.

Suffering is part of the walk, necessary in order for us to mature. I also see a further major falling away coming if the rapture doesn't happen as anticipated. Not that there isn't already one in progress.

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ClearMiddle's avatar

I don't have any sort of direct contact with this kind of thing, although I read that one of my former (apostate) churches was going to do a series of gatherings about "Christian nationalism", which they perceive as a threat. After the other things they've been up to it is no surprise.

I do know a fair number of people that appear to be hoping that the rapture will spare them any serious persecution. My understanding of scripture is that no true follower of Jesus is exempt from that.

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Terry Wolfe's avatar

Of all the threats in the world and at home, Christian nationalism is probably in the lower 10%. It's a boogeyman, a red herring, and a talking point to avoid discussing the serious epidemics all around us. If anything happens along those lines, it will almost certainly be an engineered false flag to serve as a pretext.

As for the rapture, my interpretation is that Christians of this age are not included in it. We are meant to go to Heaven the old fashioned way. After we're dead, Revelation describes the 144,000 Israelites who become the focal point of prophecy, and I believe it is they who are "raptured" and gathered into the clouds to join us, when we come back down to earth with Jesus to set up the Millennial Kingdom. They are raptured, and at the same time transformed into their new bodies.

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ClearMiddle's avatar

Your interpretation makes sense. I think we have to be ready for surprises -- revealed as signs of the times when their times come -- but the version of the rapture that I hear repeated most often, by pastors I respect and by people in my own congregation, has holes in it. The pieces don't quite fit, and there is flawed logic ("we can't be in the tribulation because the rapture hasn't yet taken place").

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Pirate Studebaker's avatar

Thank you, Mr. Wolfe. Beautiful message however God manifests it in each of our lives.

All glory to God.

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Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

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JJ Mathias Thomas's avatar

How can you write such obvious falsehoods about the words of Jesus? Readers (and Mr Wolfe) please turn to Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. There you can read (in fairly OK literal translations like the NKJV, ESV or NRSV) that Jesus commands His disciples to watch for the warning signs of Great Tribulation, to pray to be able to escape, and then to flee. Why should God's obedient children be subjected to God's wrathful judgement on the rebellious? Lot fled Sodom.

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Terry Wolfe's avatar

Thank you for the comment, JJ. I'm definitely going to address these points in an upcoming post, and I think you'll be satisfied with the answers. To be clear, I don't judge anyone for relocating or fleeing, my own Mennonite forefathers fled from plenty of places while they were being persecuted. But we have to be careful how we apply the warning to escape, and especially careful not to call the tribulation "God's wrathful judgment on the rebellious", because that gets a lot of things backward.

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Christine Grace's avatar

Yes. Live-In-Goodness aka Infinite Love I AM, We ALL Prosper. TRUTH IS WON-NOW-ONE <3 Thank you for all you are doingbeing to Bring The LIGHT to Be The LIGHT IAMYOUAREWEARE. NOW-HERE. Boom!

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Terry Wolfe's avatar

What a humorous comment! The Hebrew Roots Hoax is very easily debunked and carries no weight around here. Righteousness is not earned by legalism, but imputed to us because we are "in Christ" as born again. The attempt to guilt and bully Christians into the legalist cult doesn't work around Winter Christians.

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