I live in the flattest area in the world, with the biggest skies everywhere, and I don’t see any of that where I live in Canada. To the extent that it’s happening, it’s not universal. The sky is as blue today as it was when I was a kid, and the clouds are beautiful.
If chemtrails are real and you’re afraid of them, you can either plan to move or have faith that it will only affect you to the extent that God allows.
1st paragraph... your experience is different. But I will say that Geo Engineering is real and takes on many forms and motivations, and the skies are different than when i was a kid.
2nd paragraph... either move or be impacted only to the extent that God allows.
My main takeaway... all that happens is as God intends?
WR - it's definitely real. My husband and I watched 3 planes criss-crossing for 90 minutes one time we were a little south of here, laying chemtrails. When it's normal contrails they disappear in a couple of minutes. My husband wasn't best pleased as he liked to call it a conspiracy theory but they were right there above us. I sat looking helpfully at the sky to encourage anyone else who might notice! Only one man did and pointed it out to his wife. Everyone else just wandered about with their face in their phone. I noted my experience on James Delingpole's substack when he interviewed the American woman (something-Katt - forgotten her name) who tracks them on her phone and has confronted the pilots locally ('only obeying orders - speak to the boss'). One guy in the comments said he'd watched 17 planes in Yorkshire one day (which was where we were).
Here in Edinburgh where I live they must do it at night as I've never seen them, but the last couple of years have been ridiculous in terms of the uniform dirty-grey canopy hiding the sky on so many days.
The (Christian) comedian, Alistair Williams, says normies respond to him with 'it's just cloudy' and he replies 'so show me a cloud'.
Having said that, I don't worry about it because it's pointless. If I write to my MP he'll tell me it's a conspiracy theory, so why bother? I gather that analyses of samples after spraying have shown aluminium, barium and strontium., in addition to many other things that shouldn't be there. Even just aluminium causes dementia and I'd like to be compos mentis when I meet my end. Other than that I don't worry about it. It'll do what it's going to do.
"And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her."
I totally agree I’ve always wondered why Christians are afraid of dying aren’t they going to be with the One we worship I have become a conspiracy theorist but I’ve come to the conclusion that I have a destiny I know I shall fulfil so Father has got everything in hand so why fret. Dallas Willard reminds us not to fret and let God take care of the timing
No it’s not. It’s very important for academics to understand why Jesus and the disciples felt the need to address many of the ideas that had developed in the 400 years since the end of the prophets, but the book itself is not inspired and has a false idea of who the Messiah is (which became part of Jewish mysticism where Enoch transformed into an angel named Metatron).
On Flat Earth, whilst I agree that community is a mega rabbit hole, full of erroneous dogmas and people who use contrarian takes to purposefully 'dunk their neighbour', I also have mercy on why people can start to make these assumptions, given the insane lies that come from NASA and the direct experience of earth and the sky we all have. ie. it looks and feels stationary, and water always finds its level.
I do not see the 'shape of the earth' as a primary topic, I do find it very interesting how taboo it is to challenge the prevailing model, and I like the quote from Stephen Hawking (in a somewhat rare moment of humility in respect to the boundaries of his field)
“Although it is not uncommon for people to say that Copernicus proved Ptolemy wrong, that is not true...one can use either picture as a model of the universe...the equations of motion are much simpler in the frame of reference in which the sun is at rest....If there are two models that both agree with observation, then one cannot say that one is more real than another."
I get a sense of humility from both models, and find a lot of rest knowing God is sovereign.
I guess my question for you Terry is, why do you think NASA put fake CGI footage out there?
Why? To justify their budget to the public. The conspiracy that Flat Earth is hiding is much worse, that NASA is involved in underground military bases, human trafficking, and the continuation of Nazi programs. Which by the way includes the same kind of mysticism Flat Earth promotes
Ok this is news to me about the 'why' (Even though some of the more 'wacky' FE types I've come across have been the ones blowing the lid on all the things you've mentioned)
How do you see it that 'Flat Earth' hides the things you mention?
I see mysticism, and I see the Flat Earthers like Santos Bonacci etc who promote this, yet I also see people who promote the Globe and the 'cosmic christ' - I struggle to see how the Globe is exempt from this mysticism?
It's a common pattern for a conspiracy to create a controlled opposition that sucks all the air out of the room and dominates all discussion, so that the truth can't seem to get any attention. You can tell because the Flat Earthers never expose the real evil of NASA, they just pretend that their #1 objective is to hide the "truth" of the earth's shape.
Flat Earth PROMOTES mysticism but it HIDES the darker NASA crimes. That leads me to believe Flat Earth is a controlled opposition campaign to keep people from looking in the real directions. They want UFOs, magic, superstition, etc. because NASA wants those things to be popular... because the Nazis wanted those things.
I must say the FE promoters I know absolutely expose UFO's/magic etc as a psyop, and suggest that it should be ignored/laughed at because it comes from degenerate freaks who hate the truth and hate us.
In regards to justifying budgets to public, why not have public space travel like Disneyland rides or something if it's real? why use CGI and composited imagery? I'm struggling to follow your logic on this, why not show real footage instead of CGI?
I do believe hiding the truth is the #1 goal because that is the alpha and omege, the king of the universe and the #1 threat.
Interesting that you'd mention Disney, because NASA and Disney have a long relationship. Disney helped NASA pioneer special effects techniques. You have to remember that the public bought the lies for a very long time, it justified endless Cold War spending. People believe this stuff.
Could they send a person to the moon and back if they wanted to? Of course not. But it's a compelling story for simpler times and now they're stuck dealing with the aftermath. I think they never expected things to turn out this way. They must have thought their imagery would continue to fool everyone, or that they'd develop the actual technology to do it, etc.
I work in the creative sector and Im aware of what can be done. Just for arguments sake, I could take footage from the plane and add a lens effect to make it look curved. I don’t need to point out the specifics of how that could be done, because I know it’s possible. No hallucination required.
I’m struggling to see how you can expose NASA as money launderers on one hand, and on the other suggest we consume these videos as evidence of a ball spinning in space?
I didn’t say anything about “spinning” and I can tell from your talking points that you’re deep into the Flat Earth rabbit hole, using their very weak talking points. I’ve had many conversations with flat earthers before and most of them eventually grow out of it. I’ll cut past the noise there and say that there are much stronger arguments for earth’s curvature than video footage, or anything made by mankind. The constellations, the moon, the sunrise and sunset, the heavens make it clear. People knew it was round thousands of years ago. Aristotle wrote about it.
The false dichotomy of either “believe NASA” or “believe the earth is flat and space is fake” is tempting for people who don’t know how to do good research, but we need to be better than that. I have a whole chapter on flat earth in my book Fire In The Rabbit Hole, it is thoroughly debunked, while also being very forthright in condemning NASA. They are evil, but the idea of a round earth is much older than them.
If you’re showing videos from NASA as evidence, then I’m sure you could forgive me for assuming you think it’s spinning.
I’m not deep into the FE rabbit hole at all, as I said earlier I don’t see it as a primary topic. I do find it interesting when people in the “alt sphere” take jabs at “Flat Earth” however, because again, why is it so stupid for someone to believe they are stood on ground that doesn’t move but instead its the sky that moves, or that water always finds it level. I also believe the term “flat earth” to be erroneous in itself, I only need to look out to the hills and valleys that surround me to confirm this.
I agree that we need to go beyond false dichotomies, and I don’t find myself to be caught up in them. I think I posted the Stephen Hawkins quite about how both the copernican and ptolemy models work. (I take great interest in the word models here)
I don’t find references to ancient greeks impressive as support for the globe. I see people doing the same to support their nihilistic materialism, citing people like Epicurus, or someone like Protagoras who suggested man is the measure of all things.
To note, I do discern evil inside the FE movement and I’m aware of their hot headed tactics, and nasty treatment of anyone who disagrees with them.
This has not really answered the question about why they show CGI footage and not real footage? They surely could do this if space and the earth was what they paint it as.
I've seen satellites in the sky at night. People see them with telescopes. I know that some footage is faked and CGI is especially used for composite images and trying to enhance things, but I don't believe that every image of high altitude or low orbit earth is fake.
Yes Ive seen stuff like this before. I don’t understand how you can believe this is not doctored, while being suspicious about the things you are.
I have seen satellites, I believe they’re real but not in the way they are presented. Just a simple search on google and you are bombarded with CG imagery.
Have you ever been in airplane? Have you seen really high altitude flights? The satellite footage is perfectly aligned with how that looks. Unless you have expertise on detecting CG and can point out specifics, you're just in a weird rabbit hole hallucinating
I agree, but if you are going to believe in as few things as possible, where should you start? I used to recite the apostolic creed every week in church, until I thought: “is this what I need to believe before I can get into the kingdom of Heaven?” Then I remembered “The kingdom of Heaven is within you.” How do you interpret that saying of Jesus, Terry? And how do you know your interpretation is right?
I suppose I can’t “know” that my interpretation is right, in the same way that I can’t “know” that any of the events of the Bible happened at all. How can I verify something that’s beyond me?
But by reading the text and studying how it connects together, discussing it critically with others, and checking yourself to make sure you’re not trying to impose a selfish or skewed idea, you can at least examine what you believe and have reasons to believe them.
I agree since all knowledge is really based on trust - whether it’s in our senses, others’ recorded writings/talks, or reliance on our rational faculties (therefore relegating even “trust in science” to mere trust that repeatability points toward correct empirical conclusions). Ultimately the sufficient reasoning I keep for Christ’s truth is that his revealed story is better than that of any aloof creator - and it’s impossible for mere mortals to concoct such a belief greater than all other concepts of Godhead ever attempted.
Absolutely. I appreciate that. That question was secondary to the first question regarding the Kingdom of Heaven being within you and was somewhat unnecessary . I’d like to know what your opinion on what the saying means, however.
I believe that when you examine the text, “within you” is not as accurate as “among you” or “in your midst”. This implies that the Kingdom of Heaven is A) centered around Jesus Christ, who was literally among them, and/or B) that it will manifest wherever there are Christians gathered. I think both of those are true. I do not believe there’s much merit in the idea that the Kingdom is internal and personal.
Then why has it been translated so badly? I have had this response before and it pre-empted the the second question. Even if a better translation is “among you“, this would suggest that heaven is not just a place you go to when you die, but is accessible while you are alive. For there to be differences in the translation in different Bibles, there must be uncertainty in interpreting what Jesus actually said and meant.
There are many ambiguities Of a similar nature in the Bible. For example, the quote “no man cometh unto the Father except by me”. This can be interpreted in relation to the understanding that Jesus transcends a single historical personality but pre-existed the historical personality, and that anyone who comes to God (whatever that means) has come through the Logos. And indeed that anyone who came to God before Jesus was born came through the Logos, and that anyone who comes to God after Jesus’ life on earth also comes through the Logos, regardless of whether they identify as a Christian or not.
This is a great post Terry. I've been limiting my intake of all "the stuff" and reading the Bible more (and Puritan paperbacks) and taking walks and being involved with Christian brothers and sisters and trying to be a witness for Christ. My life is in His hands.
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Saint 😉
Great post, I have been disengaging from conspiracy more and more and believing less and less, cheers!
disengaging from chem trails is kinda hard... an ideas?
i want blue skies and real clouds
I live in the flattest area in the world, with the biggest skies everywhere, and I don’t see any of that where I live in Canada. To the extent that it’s happening, it’s not universal. The sky is as blue today as it was when I was a kid, and the clouds are beautiful.
If chemtrails are real and you’re afraid of them, you can either plan to move or have faith that it will only affect you to the extent that God allows.
I will retry the reply...
1st paragraph... your experience is different. But I will say that Geo Engineering is real and takes on many forms and motivations, and the skies are different than when i was a kid.
2nd paragraph... either move or be impacted only to the extent that God allows.
My main takeaway... all that happens is as God intends?
What?
WR - it's definitely real. My husband and I watched 3 planes criss-crossing for 90 minutes one time we were a little south of here, laying chemtrails. When it's normal contrails they disappear in a couple of minutes. My husband wasn't best pleased as he liked to call it a conspiracy theory but they were right there above us. I sat looking helpfully at the sky to encourage anyone else who might notice! Only one man did and pointed it out to his wife. Everyone else just wandered about with their face in their phone. I noted my experience on James Delingpole's substack when he interviewed the American woman (something-Katt - forgotten her name) who tracks them on her phone and has confronted the pilots locally ('only obeying orders - speak to the boss'). One guy in the comments said he'd watched 17 planes in Yorkshire one day (which was where we were).
Here in Edinburgh where I live they must do it at night as I've never seen them, but the last couple of years have been ridiculous in terms of the uniform dirty-grey canopy hiding the sky on so many days.
The (Christian) comedian, Alistair Williams, says normies respond to him with 'it's just cloudy' and he replies 'so show me a cloud'.
Having said that, I don't worry about it because it's pointless. If I write to my MP he'll tell me it's a conspiracy theory, so why bother? I gather that analyses of samples after spraying have shown aluminium, barium and strontium., in addition to many other things that shouldn't be there. Even just aluminium causes dementia and I'd like to be compos mentis when I meet my end. Other than that I don't worry about it. It'll do what it's going to do.
Excellent and timely post, thanks Terry!
I often don’t like your posts (but I still tend to read them and think about them). This one I really, really like.
One of the best Substack pieces!
Thanks for the reminder Terry:
"And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her."
Luke 10:41-42
Simplicity itself.
Thank you Terry. I feel saner already! Superb post.
A very clear and sane post. Thanks
This level of detachment comes with maturity, age and God's grace. :-) Thanks Terry.
I totally agree I’ve always wondered why Christians are afraid of dying aren’t they going to be with the One we worship I have become a conspiracy theorist but I’ve come to the conclusion that I have a destiny I know I shall fulfil so Father has got everything in hand so why fret. Dallas Willard reminds us not to fret and let God take care of the timing
I think that everything you have written here is very, very correct and to be heeded. Thank you.
Great post... probably because it pretty much sums up how I feel!
Thanks
Hi there
Sorry ... off topic, I think ... but is reading the Book of Enoch helpful to a Christian?
Cheers
No it’s not. It’s very important for academics to understand why Jesus and the disciples felt the need to address many of the ideas that had developed in the 400 years since the end of the prophets, but the book itself is not inspired and has a false idea of who the Messiah is (which became part of Jewish mysticism where Enoch transformed into an angel named Metatron).
Great post brother! Very well said. God Bless.
Nice post, Terry.
On Flat Earth, whilst I agree that community is a mega rabbit hole, full of erroneous dogmas and people who use contrarian takes to purposefully 'dunk their neighbour', I also have mercy on why people can start to make these assumptions, given the insane lies that come from NASA and the direct experience of earth and the sky we all have. ie. it looks and feels stationary, and water always finds its level.
I do not see the 'shape of the earth' as a primary topic, I do find it very interesting how taboo it is to challenge the prevailing model, and I like the quote from Stephen Hawking (in a somewhat rare moment of humility in respect to the boundaries of his field)
“Although it is not uncommon for people to say that Copernicus proved Ptolemy wrong, that is not true...one can use either picture as a model of the universe...the equations of motion are much simpler in the frame of reference in which the sun is at rest....If there are two models that both agree with observation, then one cannot say that one is more real than another."
I get a sense of humility from both models, and find a lot of rest knowing God is sovereign.
I guess my question for you Terry is, why do you think NASA put fake CGI footage out there?
Why? To justify their budget to the public. The conspiracy that Flat Earth is hiding is much worse, that NASA is involved in underground military bases, human trafficking, and the continuation of Nazi programs. Which by the way includes the same kind of mysticism Flat Earth promotes
Ok this is news to me about the 'why' (Even though some of the more 'wacky' FE types I've come across have been the ones blowing the lid on all the things you've mentioned)
How do you see it that 'Flat Earth' hides the things you mention?
I see mysticism, and I see the Flat Earthers like Santos Bonacci etc who promote this, yet I also see people who promote the Globe and the 'cosmic christ' - I struggle to see how the Globe is exempt from this mysticism?
It's a common pattern for a conspiracy to create a controlled opposition that sucks all the air out of the room and dominates all discussion, so that the truth can't seem to get any attention. You can tell because the Flat Earthers never expose the real evil of NASA, they just pretend that their #1 objective is to hide the "truth" of the earth's shape.
Flat Earth PROMOTES mysticism but it HIDES the darker NASA crimes. That leads me to believe Flat Earth is a controlled opposition campaign to keep people from looking in the real directions. They want UFOs, magic, superstition, etc. because NASA wants those things to be popular... because the Nazis wanted those things.
I see what you're saying and I agree in part.
I must say the FE promoters I know absolutely expose UFO's/magic etc as a psyop, and suggest that it should be ignored/laughed at because it comes from degenerate freaks who hate the truth and hate us.
In regards to justifying budgets to public, why not have public space travel like Disneyland rides or something if it's real? why use CGI and composited imagery? I'm struggling to follow your logic on this, why not show real footage instead of CGI?
I do believe hiding the truth is the #1 goal because that is the alpha and omege, the king of the universe and the #1 threat.
Interesting that you'd mention Disney, because NASA and Disney have a long relationship. Disney helped NASA pioneer special effects techniques. You have to remember that the public bought the lies for a very long time, it justified endless Cold War spending. People believe this stuff.
Could they send a person to the moon and back if they wanted to? Of course not. But it's a compelling story for simpler times and now they're stuck dealing with the aftermath. I think they never expected things to turn out this way. They must have thought their imagery would continue to fool everyone, or that they'd develop the actual technology to do it, etc.
I work in the creative sector and Im aware of what can be done. Just for arguments sake, I could take footage from the plane and add a lens effect to make it look curved. I don’t need to point out the specifics of how that could be done, because I know it’s possible. No hallucination required.
I’m struggling to see how you can expose NASA as money launderers on one hand, and on the other suggest we consume these videos as evidence of a ball spinning in space?
I didn’t say anything about “spinning” and I can tell from your talking points that you’re deep into the Flat Earth rabbit hole, using their very weak talking points. I’ve had many conversations with flat earthers before and most of them eventually grow out of it. I’ll cut past the noise there and say that there are much stronger arguments for earth’s curvature than video footage, or anything made by mankind. The constellations, the moon, the sunrise and sunset, the heavens make it clear. People knew it was round thousands of years ago. Aristotle wrote about it.
The false dichotomy of either “believe NASA” or “believe the earth is flat and space is fake” is tempting for people who don’t know how to do good research, but we need to be better than that. I have a whole chapter on flat earth in my book Fire In The Rabbit Hole, it is thoroughly debunked, while also being very forthright in condemning NASA. They are evil, but the idea of a round earth is much older than them.
If you’re showing videos from NASA as evidence, then I’m sure you could forgive me for assuming you think it’s spinning.
I’m not deep into the FE rabbit hole at all, as I said earlier I don’t see it as a primary topic. I do find it interesting when people in the “alt sphere” take jabs at “Flat Earth” however, because again, why is it so stupid for someone to believe they are stood on ground that doesn’t move but instead its the sky that moves, or that water always finds it level. I also believe the term “flat earth” to be erroneous in itself, I only need to look out to the hills and valleys that surround me to confirm this.
I agree that we need to go beyond false dichotomies, and I don’t find myself to be caught up in them. I think I posted the Stephen Hawkins quite about how both the copernican and ptolemy models work. (I take great interest in the word models here)
I don’t find references to ancient greeks impressive as support for the globe. I see people doing the same to support their nihilistic materialism, citing people like Epicurus, or someone like Protagoras who suggested man is the measure of all things.
To note, I do discern evil inside the FE movement and I’m aware of their hot headed tactics, and nasty treatment of anyone who disagrees with them.
This has not really answered the question about why they show CGI footage and not real footage? They surely could do this if space and the earth was what they paint it as.
Not sure about you but I've seen lots of footage from orbit that I believe is real. For example, here's 10 hours of footage from satellites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnhvanMdx4s
And here's more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKDq18JLIIU
I've seen satellites in the sky at night. People see them with telescopes. I know that some footage is faked and CGI is especially used for composite images and trying to enhance things, but I don't believe that every image of high altitude or low orbit earth is fake.
Yes Ive seen stuff like this before. I don’t understand how you can believe this is not doctored, while being suspicious about the things you are.
I have seen satellites, I believe they’re real but not in the way they are presented. Just a simple search on google and you are bombarded with CG imagery.
It feels like a lack of discernment here, Terry.
Have you ever been in airplane? Have you seen really high altitude flights? The satellite footage is perfectly aligned with how that looks. Unless you have expertise on detecting CG and can point out specifics, you're just in a weird rabbit hole hallucinating
I agree, but if you are going to believe in as few things as possible, where should you start? I used to recite the apostolic creed every week in church, until I thought: “is this what I need to believe before I can get into the kingdom of Heaven?” Then I remembered “The kingdom of Heaven is within you.” How do you interpret that saying of Jesus, Terry? And how do you know your interpretation is right?
I suppose I can’t “know” that my interpretation is right, in the same way that I can’t “know” that any of the events of the Bible happened at all. How can I verify something that’s beyond me?
But by reading the text and studying how it connects together, discussing it critically with others, and checking yourself to make sure you’re not trying to impose a selfish or skewed idea, you can at least examine what you believe and have reasons to believe them.
I agree since all knowledge is really based on trust - whether it’s in our senses, others’ recorded writings/talks, or reliance on our rational faculties (therefore relegating even “trust in science” to mere trust that repeatability points toward correct empirical conclusions). Ultimately the sufficient reasoning I keep for Christ’s truth is that his revealed story is better than that of any aloof creator - and it’s impossible for mere mortals to concoct such a belief greater than all other concepts of Godhead ever attempted.
Absolutely. I appreciate that. That question was secondary to the first question regarding the Kingdom of Heaven being within you and was somewhat unnecessary . I’d like to know what your opinion on what the saying means, however.
I believe that when you examine the text, “within you” is not as accurate as “among you” or “in your midst”. This implies that the Kingdom of Heaven is A) centered around Jesus Christ, who was literally among them, and/or B) that it will manifest wherever there are Christians gathered. I think both of those are true. I do not believe there’s much merit in the idea that the Kingdom is internal and personal.
Then why has it been translated so badly? I have had this response before and it pre-empted the the second question. Even if a better translation is “among you“, this would suggest that heaven is not just a place you go to when you die, but is accessible while you are alive. For there to be differences in the translation in different Bibles, there must be uncertainty in interpreting what Jesus actually said and meant.
There are many ambiguities Of a similar nature in the Bible. For example, the quote “no man cometh unto the Father except by me”. This can be interpreted in relation to the understanding that Jesus transcends a single historical personality but pre-existed the historical personality, and that anyone who comes to God (whatever that means) has come through the Logos. And indeed that anyone who came to God before Jesus was born came through the Logos, and that anyone who comes to God after Jesus’ life on earth also comes through the Logos, regardless of whether they identify as a Christian or not.
This is a great post Terry. I've been limiting my intake of all "the stuff" and reading the Bible more (and Puritan paperbacks) and taking walks and being involved with Christian brothers and sisters and trying to be a witness for Christ. My life is in His hands.