One of the first times I lost followers online was after President Obama gave a speech on religion in America (on June 28, 2007) in which he said that America was no longer a Christian nation, and that the idea of modeling the government after the Bible’s teachings was impossible.
For the last couple of days, I have been mulling over the fact that, as a nation (mine is New Zealand), it is not Christianity we need to return to, or Christian values, but Christ himself.
We need CHRIST... nothing more, nothing less.
Hardly a popular message for those engaged in the battle for freedom.
Coming at it from the other side -- the side of those seeking to create the government that we have now -- "the idea of modeling the government after the Bible’s teachings" was not on their minds. I'm no historian but those people were after money and power. Last I checked, those aims were not the Bible's teachings.
There is our actual history, and then there is our history as written by the victors in that fight for a strong central government. The latter is what is now taught. My introduction to this was during 11th grade, when my father advised me that what I was learning in school was not actual history. I believed him, but he didn't say any more about it. I would discover much later that he was coming to see the truth about our government himself, and that he was being forced into early retirement as an Air Force officer because of it.
So yes, what you said, and more. As for whether the people themselves represented a Christian nation, government aside, I don't know. There was the first great awakening in the earlier 18th century, which might have tilted things in a more positive direction for a time, but then the first industrial revolution followed, as if in response. With the 19th century we "gained" Darwinism & science run amok, Marx-Engels, and so much more, and look where that has gone today.
One powerful realization I learned in later life was that the epitome of power, and control, was through the state.
I think I falsely assumed in my younger years that true power resided in business, technology, or entrepreneurship.
Being taught in (CDN) public schools, you learn that governments and heads of state are fairly benevolent, selfless, and protect their people.
How wrong I was.
As with every business, there is always a final decision maker. And, for the any powerful figure to truly operate in the world, they require the medium of the State through which to perform their evil.
Thus, by deduction, wielding the power of industry, nationalism, and the army, the State will always be the most powerful and corrupt form of power on the earth until Christ comes again.
I would argue that we never were a Christian nation when we take into consideration that most of the Founding Fathers, if not all, were Freemasons and products of the Enlightenment philosophy.
This is blackpilled poison. We cannot simply cede the battlefield of politics and governance just because the fight there is difficult and dirty. To do so would be akin to abandoning our sheep to wolves. Just because we cannot win solely through political power does not relieve us of the responsibility to govern our nations in a just and God-pleasing fashion and to do that requires engaging in politics. Yes, we will screw up in this, because we are flawed sinners but we must still try. Yes, the wolves will come for us, but since when has that ever not been the case? What you are proposing is cowardice, not wisdom.
Okay, but notice that nothing you said means anything? "Govern our nations in a just and God-pleasing fashion" without having control? Maybe on the local level, if you're lucky. Platitudes and tough talk mean nothing without actual solutions. Real power comes from money, bribes, connections, legal warfare, and even then the Clintons can just "suicide" you if you become too inconvenient. Many have tried to save the day, and God NEVER gave us commands to take up power in the New Testament. Show me otherwise.
In fact, Protestant Christian values already solved the problem of power during the Reformation… if the secular world neophytes can see past their 18+ years of indoctrination, they would realize that, the Pilgrims, Collegiants and even the American Revolutionary Statesmen (who were all from a Protestant tradition)… saw that it was not power itself that corrupts people or systems, but like anything else in life too much of something has adverse effects… the solution all of these Protestant thinkers proposed was (pay attention)… decentralization… the poison of power is centralization, just like Catholic Europe under the Pope centralized power inevitably leads to feudalism.
Even so, decentralization only lasted a little while. Central Bank, emergency powers, deep state, etc. creep in and the experiment ends. So is corrupt power really "solved" or just mutated into an even stronger form?
Not in hindsight… the world was largely decentralized for the past 2000 years (excluding Catholic Europe)… the Victorian era marked the beginning of Catholic Europes feudalist expansion all over the globe with colonialism… and in 1913 with Americas creation of the FED and the 1916 treaty of Versailles, the Nation State secular world order was solidified with Zionism… so to be fair this one world government nonsense is a relative new and unproven endeavor… I personally highly doubt it will succeed more than a year or two… and then you will see the world go right back to decentralization… operating on regional interests upon the goodwill of trade and treaties just like it always has.
Interesting take. So what I would consider weak power (fighting factions, chaos, divided systems) is what you call decentralization, perhaps. It's not like the rest of the world designed their governments to have separation of powers and balanced checks and balances, but out of failure to create a monopoly they were left with meaningful infighting.
If you believe in miracles then a very hair-raising article was published about Obama in Newsweek and Senior Newsweek Editor Lisa Miller (@lisaxmiller) was fired for it! Why fire her if it's not true? Very suspicious...statistically 666 couldn't show up by sheer coincidence. It has to be a miracle, it's that simple.
On Nov. 5, Todd Strandberg was at his desk, fielding E-mails from around the world. As the editor and founder of RaptureReady.com, his job is to track current events and link them to biblical prophecy in hopes of maintaining his status as "the eBay of prophecy," the best source online for predictions and calculations concerning the end of the world. Already Barack Obama had drawn the attention of apocalypse watchers after an anonymous e-mail circulated among conservative Christians in October implying that he was the Antichrist. Former "Saturday Night Live" ingénue Victoria Jackson fueled the fire when, according to news reports, she wrote on her Web site that Obama "bears traits that resemble the anti-Christ." Now Strandberg was receiving up-to-the-minute news from his constituents in Illinois. One of the winning lottery numbers in the president-elect's home state was 666— which, as everyone knows, is the sign of the Beast (also known as the Antichrist). "It is very eerie, and I take it for a sign as to who he really is," wrote one of Strandberg's correspondents.
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The article is right and I've got other links (videos) to share with you about the event.
I can understand your perception… but perhaps my perception is beyond what you can conceive… indeed the secular world order is prevalent in our current time but before 1916 there was no such thing as nation states, outside of the turbulent newly established republic of France and America… Austrian Hungarian empire, British Empire, Ottoman Empire etc were all realities before the treaty of Versailles… the reason you can’t comprehend this reality is because you believe secular nation states have always existed… this is a fallacy… to understand the world you first need to be like the fish who learned to breath air… because it’s hard to reason with fish who doesn’t even know he is surrounded by water… in this case the water is the secular world order and the fish is anyone who believes everything they were taught by their secular lack of historical education.
This narrative that decentralization creates factions and wars is a baseless secular talking point… just like the secular narrative about monarchy and religion… in fact you can go to any part of the Muslim world and find autonomous communities living peacefully within their region (Ache, Bangsamoro)… even in Spain there are many autonomous regions that exist in harmony with other regions, such as Basque and Galicia just to name a few…
Like I said trade and treaties are the historical way civilized people interacted with each other before the barbaric Catholic Latin rite, with their doctrine of discovery opened the door of savagery on the world, which would culminate into the colonial era and our present Zionist nightmare…
I think I see where you’re coming from a bit more. But I think Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome would disagree that the Catholics were the first colonial power. They overthrew governments, enslaved people, shipped them overseas, and destroyed rebels. I know there were autonomous zones in the sense that some people were either not worthy to conquer, or successfully escaped conquest, but the suzerainty system was the main system; a stronger ethnic group forced a weaker ethnic group into submission and dictated the terms to them in exchange for protection. Not that different, and it has nothing to do with “secular” or “decentralized". These were ethnicities with their own local religions, and their “treaties” often included lists of declarations about how one group’s god was better than the others.
You’re right there is precedent in the ancient world but I was trying to stay within our current era (2000 year calendar)… namely the systems of pharaohs and nimrods are closer to the power that I believe you perceive within this secular world order… fyi pharaoh and nimrod were titles given to leaders in their respective domains who exacted tyrannical authoritarian power over their subjects and assumed a position likened to god on earth… very similar to the Pope in western and central Europe from the 9th to 16th century… all of those ancient civilizations you mentioned were City States which influenced their region’s culturally (language, arts etc) more than politically (system of governance)… the fact that the Romans and Parthians (Persians) had two very distinct systems of governance (laws political systems etc) proves my point… of course these superpowers had vassals but that does not mean their systems of governance were imposed upon their vassals (their is no historical evidence of this)… the clearest example of this was in Armenia where the Persians and Romans vied for influence…
I think maybe you are still missing my assertion… autonomous systems of governance is what I am highlighting… autonomy means you live by your own system, laws, customs etc… secularism however was literally forced by gun point on the world after WWI… via colonial rule… and to my great dismay Zionism is being forced on the world now by coercion, blackmail and bribery chiefly in America…
It is my view that this coercion is not a show of superior violence or military strength but rather the ability of the aristocratic cults (mainly bankers) ability to bribe factions (politicians, leaders, ethnic minorities etc) which is the strategy of divide and conquer… I mean literally the FED can print dollars…
Back to the point… communal life is preserved by orthodox religion… when the state stifles the establishment of community in favor of individualized service to the state, we can see power becoming more centralized and tyrannical… secular nation states see communal autonomy as a threat because the more you depend on a community the less you depend on centralized government… orthodox religion is the answer.
He shows that Islam has attacked all world civilisation worldwide non-stop since 1400 years each and every year, without exception and carried out 1500 some major battles against Europe. Several major attacks each year. I don't get why that went under the radar. As Bill Warner asks: "Why We Are Afraid, 1400 Year Secret" Indeed, why?
Interesting... thanks!
For the last couple of days, I have been mulling over the fact that, as a nation (mine is New Zealand), it is not Christianity we need to return to, or Christian values, but Christ himself.
We need CHRIST... nothing more, nothing less.
Hardly a popular message for those engaged in the battle for freedom.
Excellent!!!!! Point!! Love this!!
I think it is OK to also participate in the fight for freedom, nevertheless. Resisting tyranny (without violence) is proper Christian work.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctrine-Lesser-Magistrates-Resistance-Repudiation/dp/B08XQZ433S/ref=sr_1_1
"The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates: A Proper Resistance to Tyranny and a Repudiation of Unlimited Obedience to Civil Government"
Coming at it from the other side -- the side of those seeking to create the government that we have now -- "the idea of modeling the government after the Bible’s teachings" was not on their minds. I'm no historian but those people were after money and power. Last I checked, those aims were not the Bible's teachings.
There is our actual history, and then there is our history as written by the victors in that fight for a strong central government. The latter is what is now taught. My introduction to this was during 11th grade, when my father advised me that what I was learning in school was not actual history. I believed him, but he didn't say any more about it. I would discover much later that he was coming to see the truth about our government himself, and that he was being forced into early retirement as an Air Force officer because of it.
So yes, what you said, and more. As for whether the people themselves represented a Christian nation, government aside, I don't know. There was the first great awakening in the earlier 18th century, which might have tilted things in a more positive direction for a time, but then the first industrial revolution followed, as if in response. With the 19th century we "gained" Darwinism & science run amok, Marx-Engels, and so much more, and look where that has gone today.
The work of the followers of Jesus continues.
One powerful realization I learned in later life was that the epitome of power, and control, was through the state.
I think I falsely assumed in my younger years that true power resided in business, technology, or entrepreneurship.
Being taught in (CDN) public schools, you learn that governments and heads of state are fairly benevolent, selfless, and protect their people.
How wrong I was.
As with every business, there is always a final decision maker. And, for the any powerful figure to truly operate in the world, they require the medium of the State through which to perform their evil.
Thus, by deduction, wielding the power of industry, nationalism, and the army, the State will always be the most powerful and corrupt form of power on the earth until Christ comes again.
good stuff!
A simple and refreshing piece. No need for needless apologetics and retaliation against what is more or less true anyways.
Dang. Good stuff.
Excellent piece, thanks, Terry. As they say, 'small but perfectly formed'!
I would argue that we never were a Christian nation when we take into consideration that most of the Founding Fathers, if not all, were Freemasons and products of the Enlightenment philosophy.
“Where love rules, there is no will to power, and where power predominates, love is lacking. The one is the shadow of the other.”
― Carl Gustav Jung
This is blackpilled poison. We cannot simply cede the battlefield of politics and governance just because the fight there is difficult and dirty. To do so would be akin to abandoning our sheep to wolves. Just because we cannot win solely through political power does not relieve us of the responsibility to govern our nations in a just and God-pleasing fashion and to do that requires engaging in politics. Yes, we will screw up in this, because we are flawed sinners but we must still try. Yes, the wolves will come for us, but since when has that ever not been the case? What you are proposing is cowardice, not wisdom.
Okay, but notice that nothing you said means anything? "Govern our nations in a just and God-pleasing fashion" without having control? Maybe on the local level, if you're lucky. Platitudes and tough talk mean nothing without actual solutions. Real power comes from money, bribes, connections, legal warfare, and even then the Clintons can just "suicide" you if you become too inconvenient. Many have tried to save the day, and God NEVER gave us commands to take up power in the New Testament. Show me otherwise.
In fact, Protestant Christian values already solved the problem of power during the Reformation… if the secular world neophytes can see past their 18+ years of indoctrination, they would realize that, the Pilgrims, Collegiants and even the American Revolutionary Statesmen (who were all from a Protestant tradition)… saw that it was not power itself that corrupts people or systems, but like anything else in life too much of something has adverse effects… the solution all of these Protestant thinkers proposed was (pay attention)… decentralization… the poison of power is centralization, just like Catholic Europe under the Pope centralized power inevitably leads to feudalism.
Even so, decentralization only lasted a little while. Central Bank, emergency powers, deep state, etc. creep in and the experiment ends. So is corrupt power really "solved" or just mutated into an even stronger form?
Not in hindsight… the world was largely decentralized for the past 2000 years (excluding Catholic Europe)… the Victorian era marked the beginning of Catholic Europes feudalist expansion all over the globe with colonialism… and in 1913 with Americas creation of the FED and the 1916 treaty of Versailles, the Nation State secular world order was solidified with Zionism… so to be fair this one world government nonsense is a relative new and unproven endeavor… I personally highly doubt it will succeed more than a year or two… and then you will see the world go right back to decentralization… operating on regional interests upon the goodwill of trade and treaties just like it always has.
Interesting take. So what I would consider weak power (fighting factions, chaos, divided systems) is what you call decentralization, perhaps. It's not like the rest of the world designed their governments to have separation of powers and balanced checks and balances, but out of failure to create a monopoly they were left with meaningful infighting.
Hi Terry,
If you believe in miracles then a very hair-raising article was published about Obama in Newsweek and Senior Newsweek Editor Lisa Miller (@lisaxmiller) was fired for it! Why fire her if it's not true? Very suspicious...statistically 666 couldn't show up by sheer coincidence. It has to be a miracle, it's that simple.
Belief Watch: Is Obama the Antichrist?
https://www.newsweek.com/belief-watch-obama-antichrist-84741
excerpt:
On Nov. 5, Todd Strandberg was at his desk, fielding E-mails from around the world. As the editor and founder of RaptureReady.com, his job is to track current events and link them to biblical prophecy in hopes of maintaining his status as "the eBay of prophecy," the best source online for predictions and calculations concerning the end of the world. Already Barack Obama had drawn the attention of apocalypse watchers after an anonymous e-mail circulated among conservative Christians in October implying that he was the Antichrist. Former "Saturday Night Live" ingénue Victoria Jackson fueled the fire when, according to news reports, she wrote on her Web site that Obama "bears traits that resemble the anti-Christ." Now Strandberg was receiving up-to-the-minute news from his constituents in Illinois. One of the winning lottery numbers in the president-elect's home state was 666— which, as everyone knows, is the sign of the Beast (also known as the Antichrist). "It is very eerie, and I take it for a sign as to who he really is," wrote one of Strandberg's correspondents.
...snipped...
The article is right and I've got other links (videos) to share with you about the event.
G.S.
I can understand your perception… but perhaps my perception is beyond what you can conceive… indeed the secular world order is prevalent in our current time but before 1916 there was no such thing as nation states, outside of the turbulent newly established republic of France and America… Austrian Hungarian empire, British Empire, Ottoman Empire etc were all realities before the treaty of Versailles… the reason you can’t comprehend this reality is because you believe secular nation states have always existed… this is a fallacy… to understand the world you first need to be like the fish who learned to breath air… because it’s hard to reason with fish who doesn’t even know he is surrounded by water… in this case the water is the secular world order and the fish is anyone who believes everything they were taught by their secular lack of historical education.
This narrative that decentralization creates factions and wars is a baseless secular talking point… just like the secular narrative about monarchy and religion… in fact you can go to any part of the Muslim world and find autonomous communities living peacefully within their region (Ache, Bangsamoro)… even in Spain there are many autonomous regions that exist in harmony with other regions, such as Basque and Galicia just to name a few…
Like I said trade and treaties are the historical way civilized people interacted with each other before the barbaric Catholic Latin rite, with their doctrine of discovery opened the door of savagery on the world, which would culminate into the colonial era and our present Zionist nightmare…
I think I see where you’re coming from a bit more. But I think Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome would disagree that the Catholics were the first colonial power. They overthrew governments, enslaved people, shipped them overseas, and destroyed rebels. I know there were autonomous zones in the sense that some people were either not worthy to conquer, or successfully escaped conquest, but the suzerainty system was the main system; a stronger ethnic group forced a weaker ethnic group into submission and dictated the terms to them in exchange for protection. Not that different, and it has nothing to do with “secular” or “decentralized". These were ethnicities with their own local religions, and their “treaties” often included lists of declarations about how one group’s god was better than the others.
You’re right there is precedent in the ancient world but I was trying to stay within our current era (2000 year calendar)… namely the systems of pharaohs and nimrods are closer to the power that I believe you perceive within this secular world order… fyi pharaoh and nimrod were titles given to leaders in their respective domains who exacted tyrannical authoritarian power over their subjects and assumed a position likened to god on earth… very similar to the Pope in western and central Europe from the 9th to 16th century… all of those ancient civilizations you mentioned were City States which influenced their region’s culturally (language, arts etc) more than politically (system of governance)… the fact that the Romans and Parthians (Persians) had two very distinct systems of governance (laws political systems etc) proves my point… of course these superpowers had vassals but that does not mean their systems of governance were imposed upon their vassals (their is no historical evidence of this)… the clearest example of this was in Armenia where the Persians and Romans vied for influence…
I think maybe you are still missing my assertion… autonomous systems of governance is what I am highlighting… autonomy means you live by your own system, laws, customs etc… secularism however was literally forced by gun point on the world after WWI… via colonial rule… and to my great dismay Zionism is being forced on the world now by coercion, blackmail and bribery chiefly in America…
It is my view that this coercion is not a show of superior violence or military strength but rather the ability of the aristocratic cults (mainly bankers) ability to bribe factions (politicians, leaders, ethnic minorities etc) which is the strategy of divide and conquer… I mean literally the FED can print dollars…
Back to the point… communal life is preserved by orthodox religion… when the state stifles the establishment of community in favor of individualized service to the state, we can see power becoming more centralized and tyrannical… secular nation states see communal autonomy as a threat because the more you depend on a community the less you depend on centralized government… orthodox religion is the answer.
You should take a look at Bill Warners video: "Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret by Dr. Bill Warner"
https://israelbehindthenews.com/2023/07/06/why-we-are-afraid-a-1400-year-secret-by-dr-bill-warner/
He shows that Islam has attacked all world civilisation worldwide non-stop since 1400 years each and every year, without exception and carried out 1500 some major battles against Europe. Several major attacks each year. I don't get why that went under the radar. As Bill Warner asks: "Why We Are Afraid, 1400 Year Secret" Indeed, why?