Very thought provoking. I'd love to hear you and Mathew Crawford continue to discuss this periodically. I discovered you through him. Enjoy your work immensely.
I do read books from some of the various theosophical advocates such as Rudolf Steiner so i can better understand their role that they have been in and currently play. It would be great to hear where you have landed as to their specific goals and how you imagine they could be brought about.
Reading works from the early 1900’s talking of exactly the time we are in now makes one realise how preplanned things are and just how much influence they have currently.
> ...I have never heard a real person espouse these views outside of weird neo-pagan rabbit holes...
Nick Fuentes and the Groypers? Jared Taylor and American Renaissance? Ron Unz and the Unz Review? Are all of these FBI Honeypots?
Maybe I've delved too deeply into white nationalism myself, but none of these seem inauthentic or pagan. I wouldn't even consider them rabbit-holes - they all have been gaining popularity in the last 5 years.
I remember the original discussions about it from 2015 or whatever, but looks like somebody has written about it more recently.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Enrique Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys extremist group, has a past as an informer for federal and local law enforcement, repeatedly working undercover for investigators after he was arrested in 2012, according to a former prosecutor and a transcript of a 2014 federal court proceeding obtained by Reuters.
Yes, I'm aware of that. I just don't think every far right group is FBI honeypot just because Proud Boys is. I don't know why you brought them up in the first place tbh. I think you misunderstood my first post. I don't care about any paramilitary or militia movement in the USA, most savvy far-righters don't.
I don't know most of the people you listed, I just said that I've not heard those views from people who seem authentic. Nick Fuentes reeks of a David Duke successor. But I'm sure you listen to the legit white nationalists and there are some out there, just like there are blatant Theosophists. My point is that neither is mainstream and both get disowned by their own "side". JD Vance disavowed Nick Fuentes already
I don't like Nick either, he's narcissistic, arrogant, and probably even psychopathic (but still, not likely an FBI informant). He's like a more political version of Andrew Tate. It's not really about the Democrats and Republicans, it's not even about conservativism or liberalism, it's about shifting the Overton window and radicalizing young people. Right now, both American political parties are nearly identical, but young people aren't becoming more centrist, they're becoming more radical. Dark Ages traditional Catholic/Orthodox Empire VS New-Age Liberal Communist Uprising. People like Nick Fuentes have played and will play a major role in the former movement's growth. If you think the end-all and be-all movement is these next four years of Trump, I have to disagree.
Agreed. My current thesis is that the narrative is already available, in the New Testament, and understanding it is a matter of linguistic interpretation, starting with the Greek meaning of the word Λόγος. https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0057:entry%3Dlo/gos
ERW has even spoke of a no name revolution.
https://x.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1346950226494439425
Very thought provoking. I'd love to hear you and Mathew Crawford continue to discuss this periodically. I discovered you through him. Enjoy your work immensely.
Thanks Terry for a great article.
I do read books from some of the various theosophical advocates such as Rudolf Steiner so i can better understand their role that they have been in and currently play. It would be great to hear where you have landed as to their specific goals and how you imagine they could be brought about.
Reading works from the early 1900’s talking of exactly the time we are in now makes one realise how preplanned things are and just how much influence they have currently.
Everything is worth exposing.
> ...I have never heard a real person espouse these views outside of weird neo-pagan rabbit holes...
Nick Fuentes and the Groypers? Jared Taylor and American Renaissance? Ron Unz and the Unz Review? Are all of these FBI Honeypots?
Maybe I've delved too deeply into white nationalism myself, but none of these seem inauthentic or pagan. I wouldn't even consider them rabbit-holes - they all have been gaining popularity in the last 5 years.
Good article, thanks again!
The Proud Boys are FBI honeypot, so yeah.
What connection do they have to the Proud Boys? I am asking genuinely. (EDIT: I agree that the Proud Boys are an FBI honeypot.)
I remember the original discussions about it from 2015 or whatever, but looks like somebody has written about it more recently.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Enrique Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys extremist group, has a past as an informer for federal and local law enforcement, repeatedly working undercover for investigators after he was arrested in 2012, according to a former prosecutor and a transcript of a 2014 federal court proceeding obtained by Reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/exclusive-proud-boys-leader-was-prolific-informer-for-law-enforcement-idUSKBN29W1O4/
Yes, I'm aware of that. I just don't think every far right group is FBI honeypot just because Proud Boys is. I don't know why you brought them up in the first place tbh. I think you misunderstood my first post. I don't care about any paramilitary or militia movement in the USA, most savvy far-righters don't.
I don't know most of the people you listed, I just said that I've not heard those views from people who seem authentic. Nick Fuentes reeks of a David Duke successor. But I'm sure you listen to the legit white nationalists and there are some out there, just like there are blatant Theosophists. My point is that neither is mainstream and both get disowned by their own "side". JD Vance disavowed Nick Fuentes already
I don't like Nick either, he's narcissistic, arrogant, and probably even psychopathic (but still, not likely an FBI informant). He's like a more political version of Andrew Tate. It's not really about the Democrats and Republicans, it's not even about conservativism or liberalism, it's about shifting the Overton window and radicalizing young people. Right now, both American political parties are nearly identical, but young people aren't becoming more centrist, they're becoming more radical. Dark Ages traditional Catholic/Orthodox Empire VS New-Age Liberal Communist Uprising. People like Nick Fuentes have played and will play a major role in the former movement's growth. If you think the end-all and be-all movement is these next four years of Trump, I have to disagree.
great article! what kind of christian are you?
I created the term "Winter Christian" to describe my kind, I don't think it aligns with any denominations I've seen.
thats is very interesting i havent heard of that
If you want a ballpark, I was raised Mennonite and I think they're about as correct a denomination as you can get.
interesting. Are you an anarchist?
No