Gosh a really interesting analysis of the inaugural discussion which I thoroughly enjoyed - you are right about the false binary though - even as a committed Christian I find myself thinking about how to create an alternative lifestyle off-grid and so on when I know instinctively that all of this has to play out until God decides to intervene and He will decide what happens to all of us.. thank you for this and God bless and protect you 🙏
I am convinced on my journey with the Holy Spirit that these are indeed the End Times. The 'Rectification' will run it's course, because the Divine is in charge, is always in charge, of everything. The covid con, the climate change hoax, both key tests of faith and discernment in the Great Winnowing. I agree with you on what you say here Terry. Thank you.
As a Pastor from Melbourne Australia, I had been teaching on Prophecy for almost 20 years.
We have a work to do, much less to do with fighting the empire, much more to do with feeding the flock and preaching the gospel.
Unlike most of the ministers in this “COVID Lockdown Capital of the world”, we did all we could to quietly go underground and became a refuge for other Christians removed from their churches. These Christians, most being recently “awakened”, too thought to escape from the Technocracy that is the final “Iron and Clay” Kingdom of Daniel 2.
If the Lord does not return till the day before that covenant is signed, our work at the end remains what it was at the beginning, preach the gospel and make disciples of our Lord.
I am very much convinced by your thesis, Terry, and have become more skillful in picking up early vibes of new-age-y-ness in people who seem to be on our side, since your warnings. Previously, I used to think 'well, at least they're half-way there, because they're not materialists', but now I tend to leave them by the wayside because (a) there are too many people to read anyway and (b) it's good to progressively shed the dross and the distractions and concentrate on the real stuff. I like the Substacker '(Lies are) Unbekoming', for instance, who has done some excellent interviews and book summaries on virology, vaccination, nutrition and similar topics, but who also likes - and gives exposure to - the new-age 'spiritual' writers too. I find it annoying because when I find someone like that who has so much good stuff, I'd like to share the incontrovertible information (about the real history of vaccination, for example), but I hesitate to nudge a normie towards a site where, if they delve further, they're going to find all the kumbaya one-world spiritual union stuff as well. And atheists/agnostics are more likely to be tempted by a false 'spirituality' that involves no sacrifice but makes them feel good.
Were it not for James Delingpole's podcast, I would not even have come across your writing, so I'm grateful to James too!
James gave my work a great boost, I'm indebted to him for that. The New Age comes in many disguises, and the Alternative is where they live. We need many people (Christians specifically) to be warning about it.
"The Great Reset = The Great Awakening. When the Collapse happens, these narratives converge. We end up with a post-apocalyptic, post-truth world of broken infrastructure and earth worship, with communitarian villages at the local level, and elite “stewardship” on a global scale to make sure population levels are kept in check and the human livestock is tended. It is truly the New (Dark) Age of Neofeudalism.
This is a plan more than a century in the making. Thesis, Antithesis, Convergence.
If you want to expose a false binary, expose the Great Awakening."
This is also wrong and a contradiction! See if you can find it. Also it is much older than 100 years I can tell you, so you have to go further back in history.
The problem is that you also fall into the trap of knowing 100% what is false & what is truth and what the future will be like! Most think they see the reality of it all by going from one rabbit hole to another for years and learning some elite thinking, but you need to give people more credit in this end. And you still see your own thoughts & reality BUT ask yourself IS THIS THE REAL WHOLE REALITY OF IT ALL HERE?
I say there is nothing false here as you see it. You are too deep in the hole brother to see this, and I cannot lead you to the water because I will get the bucket on my head from you. So you must wait a little longer, and then you will see how wrong you are with that statement. The rest I agree with, and I see that too, BUT Hegelianism goes much further than thesis, antithesis, convergence. These are just the basics.
So if you do not know the full Hegelian psychology then go here because you have more than some catching up to do:
Nothing in that article you linked to changes anything about what I said. And just because you can't explain your argument, don't project it onto me not being able to understand.
See what I mean. You are too smart for your own good, and you have not read a single thing I have said, otherwise you would see it too. And by the way, you prove it indirectly with this stupid argument of yours, because you have no argument here, because you have no idea about the WHOLE Hegelian philosophy! That is why you react the way you do, because your ego is hurt. Stop thinking you are the smartest person in the room bc you are not otherwise you would have spoken very differently and if you think you are right here... If you were right, you would stick to the facts and you would have substantiated smartypants. Good luck with that attitude bro, but I am blind for you now because with this reaction you lay your whole intellectual egoistic personalty in the ditch. Have fun, little wolfe 👋
You make some good points here. But are you saying it is pointless for Christians to (prayerfully) make practical preparations for what God has forewarned us is coming? Because, if so, you are way off base.
Not quite. It's more that the preparations people have in mind (from what I can tell) are already accounted for by the same system they're trying to avoid. The Antithesis is not a real alternative, it is only one half of the plan. And as for the "point", I leave that up to the individual believer to determine, since you may find a way to incorporate any number of scenarios into your effort to serve the Kingdom of God. Certainly I would say that a believer should never think the "point" of life is to survive.
"Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it; but whoever will lose it will preserve it." (Luke 17:33)
P.S. The verse you quote, "Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it; but whoever will lose it will preserve it." needs to be understood in context. The Apostle Paul, for example, took steps to "save his life" on a number of occasions.
Passages like this either mean, "You must give up your old life, and your past aspirations, if you want to get to heaven", or "If you reach a 'crunch point' where you can save your skin by denying the Faith, then you'll lose your salvation if you do so".
I'd very much agree with you that the type of practical preparations most 'preppers' seem to be undertaking won't enable them to survive in the medium-to-long term. It is .crucial. to be led of the Lord here, rather than act in one's own strength and wisdom.
And you'd be right to say that physical survival is not the *chief* point of the Christian life.
However, there is an extent to which we are meant to look after ourselves (not to mention our families), and if no believers make any practical preparations for the coming times, it's hard to see how Christ can return - since, biblically, there need to be some of us left when He comes back.
I don't mean to suggest that no Christian should do anything to increase their chances of survival. I lock my doors at night and look both ways before crossing the street, too. But *our* context, of our conversation, is specifically a long-term survival plan against a hegemonic satanic conspiracy. I don't think Paul made preparations to overcome the Roman Empire. He got arrested by the state and the Lord used him while he was in prison, and may have been killed in the end. I think you kind of proved my point there, no?
You emphasize being led by the Lord, and I would say the same thing about making preparations. Those who do not make preparations will be used by the Lord for some things, and those who do will be used by the Lord for other things. The important thing is that we're not deluded into promoting solutions that give false hope. Because when the 'crunch point' does arrive, and someone believes that God gave them a survival plan so they wouldn't have to suffer, that person is more likely to blame God.
'And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose.' (Romans 8:28) This was said to the very people who ended up suffering tribulation, going to prison, or dying for their faith. So "for the good" does not mean "for the worldly benefit" or "for the prosperity", but for the good of their soul and their mission.
1) You appear to have ducked my point that, if no believer makes any practical preparations in the context of "long-term survival", it is hard to see how *any* Christians will be around when the Lord returns.
2) I do not understand your reference to Paul here. He was not facing the End-Time inability to buy or sell, nor (m)any of the other problems we believers will have to endure. (And he wasn't "arrested". He "appealed to Caesar" in order to "save his life"!)
3) You say, "Those who do not make preparations will be used by the Lord for some things". But the issue is this: If God has warned someone that a flood is on the way, and that person does not do anything about it *and* doesn't seek the Lord as to what He would have them do, I do not see the Lord protecting them, as they are surely "putting him to the test".
4) I feel you are erecting a straw man regarding suffering. No-one in their right mind would imagine that, just because God had directed a group of believers to make practical preparations in the context of long-term survival in the End-Times, that none of them will suffer - or even that none of them will be caught and killed at some stage.
1) Only a handful of Israelite Christians will be alive when the Lord returns, as I explained at length in my book Maybe Everyone Is Wrong. They are known as the 144,000, and most of Revelation revolves around them, not us. Today's church will most likely be killed in the greatest time of evil in history before all that. The breaking of the fifth seal even shows us martyrs in heaven who are confused about why the Lord isn't avenging them or stopping the killing on earth, and God tells them to relax and wait until the rest are killed too.
2) Paul was arrested. He was in chains while speaking to the governor. That's the definition of being arrested. But as for buying and selling, who is stopping you from doing that? Nobody, it's more easy than ever. The "End-Time" is not some cartoonish 7 year period of Christians not being able to go shopping, you know.
3) Why do you keep bringing up "seeking the Lord as to what He would have them do"? Did God personally tell you to go plant corn and load up on ammunition, or whatever you think will save you? Not at all. You have no evidence that God wants you to become a survivalist rather than a martyr who testifies. Just look at Luke 21:
"But before all this [ie. the return of Christ], they will seize you [arrest you] and persecute you. On account of My name they will deliver you to the synagogues and prisons [arrested], and they will bring you before kings and governors. ***13This will be your opportunity to serve as witnesses. 14So make up your mind not to worry beforehand how to defend yourselves.*** 15For I will give you speech and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict."
WHOOPS. Did you catch it? ***This will be your opportunity to serve as witnesses. So make up your mind NOT TO WORRY BEFOREHAND HOW TO DEFEND YOURSELVES.*** That is 100% opposite of becoming a survivalist who tries to flee and protect themselves and their families.
So let's be clear: we are specifically that we SHOULD serve as witnesses AFTER we are "seized" (arrested) and brought before governors and kings in synagogues and PRISONS. That's completely different than hiding away in a secluded cabin and hoping nobody messes with you. We are not supposed to even try to avoid it.
4) I absolutely do believe that the survivalists will suffer... but just not for the Gospel or any spiritually important cause. They will suffer because they put their faith in worldly wisdom, into a psyop created by the conspiracy. They will be led around by false leaders, wolves in sheep's clothing. Many will resort to disgraceful acts, spiritual compromises, betraying other Christians, etc. because they love their lives.
I don't know what you believe, but I do know that Pop Christianity has a fairy tale about the magical spooky Antichrist and the 7 Year No-Shopping Tribulation, where those who stock up on canned food and learn to fish will last until Jesus comes to save them. The whole point of my ministry is to rethink those tired old assumptions and look more closely at the full picture of prophecy and the warnings we're given.
If you want to maximize your chances of survival, go for it. Maybe you will have success and do great things, and I wish you the best in that. But don't pretend that God gave you those instructions.
oops, meant to say last three paragraphs on the mark for who you both are - and what believers are to face going forward (stay true to the Cross of course)
Gosh a really interesting analysis of the inaugural discussion which I thoroughly enjoyed - you are right about the false binary though - even as a committed Christian I find myself thinking about how to create an alternative lifestyle off-grid and so on when I know instinctively that all of this has to play out until God decides to intervene and He will decide what happens to all of us.. thank you for this and God bless and protect you 🙏
That means a lot to me, thank you.
I am convinced on my journey with the Holy Spirit that these are indeed the End Times. The 'Rectification' will run it's course, because the Divine is in charge, is always in charge, of everything. The covid con, the climate change hoax, both key tests of faith and discernment in the Great Winnowing. I agree with you on what you say here Terry. Thank you.
As a Pastor from Melbourne Australia, I had been teaching on Prophecy for almost 20 years.
We have a work to do, much less to do with fighting the empire, much more to do with feeding the flock and preaching the gospel.
Unlike most of the ministers in this “COVID Lockdown Capital of the world”, we did all we could to quietly go underground and became a refuge for other Christians removed from their churches. These Christians, most being recently “awakened”, too thought to escape from the Technocracy that is the final “Iron and Clay” Kingdom of Daniel 2.
If the Lord does not return till the day before that covenant is signed, our work at the end remains what it was at the beginning, preach the gospel and make disciples of our Lord.
God bless you, good article!
Sav
I’ve done enough history research to know who Savonarola is, so I respect the allusion.
Word.
I am very much convinced by your thesis, Terry, and have become more skillful in picking up early vibes of new-age-y-ness in people who seem to be on our side, since your warnings. Previously, I used to think 'well, at least they're half-way there, because they're not materialists', but now I tend to leave them by the wayside because (a) there are too many people to read anyway and (b) it's good to progressively shed the dross and the distractions and concentrate on the real stuff. I like the Substacker '(Lies are) Unbekoming', for instance, who has done some excellent interviews and book summaries on virology, vaccination, nutrition and similar topics, but who also likes - and gives exposure to - the new-age 'spiritual' writers too. I find it annoying because when I find someone like that who has so much good stuff, I'd like to share the incontrovertible information (about the real history of vaccination, for example), but I hesitate to nudge a normie towards a site where, if they delve further, they're going to find all the kumbaya one-world spiritual union stuff as well. And atheists/agnostics are more likely to be tempted by a false 'spirituality' that involves no sacrifice but makes them feel good.
Were it not for James Delingpole's podcast, I would not even have come across your writing, so I'm grateful to James too!
James gave my work a great boost, I'm indebted to him for that. The New Age comes in many disguises, and the Alternative is where they live. We need many people (Christians specifically) to be warning about it.
Most thought-filled, informative writeup this morn - last three paragraphs
Well done Terry.
"The Great Reset = The Great Awakening. When the Collapse happens, these narratives converge. We end up with a post-apocalyptic, post-truth world of broken infrastructure and earth worship, with communitarian villages at the local level, and elite “stewardship” on a global scale to make sure population levels are kept in check and the human livestock is tended. It is truly the New (Dark) Age of Neofeudalism.
This is a plan more than a century in the making. Thesis, Antithesis, Convergence.
If you want to expose a false binary, expose the Great Awakening."
This is also wrong and a contradiction! See if you can find it. Also it is much older than 100 years I can tell you, so you have to go further back in history.
The problem is that you also fall into the trap of knowing 100% what is false & what is truth and what the future will be like! Most think they see the reality of it all by going from one rabbit hole to another for years and learning some elite thinking, but you need to give people more credit in this end. And you still see your own thoughts & reality BUT ask yourself IS THIS THE REAL WHOLE REALITY OF IT ALL HERE?
I say there is nothing false here as you see it. You are too deep in the hole brother to see this, and I cannot lead you to the water because I will get the bucket on my head from you. So you must wait a little longer, and then you will see how wrong you are with that statement. The rest I agree with, and I see that too, BUT Hegelianism goes much further than thesis, antithesis, convergence. These are just the basics.
So if you do not know the full Hegelian psychology then go here because you have more than some catching up to do:
https://thedukereport.substack.com/p/dialectical-warfare-for-normies-lecture
Nothing in that article you linked to changes anything about what I said. And just because you can't explain your argument, don't project it onto me not being able to understand.
See what I mean. You are too smart for your own good, and you have not read a single thing I have said, otherwise you would see it too. And by the way, you prove it indirectly with this stupid argument of yours, because you have no argument here, because you have no idea about the WHOLE Hegelian philosophy! That is why you react the way you do, because your ego is hurt. Stop thinking you are the smartest person in the room bc you are not otherwise you would have spoken very differently and if you think you are right here... If you were right, you would stick to the facts and you would have substantiated smartypants. Good luck with that attitude bro, but I am blind for you now because with this reaction you lay your whole intellectual egoistic personalty in the ditch. Have fun, little wolfe 👋
And if you do not see your own projection here 🤣
You make some good points here. But are you saying it is pointless for Christians to (prayerfully) make practical preparations for what God has forewarned us is coming? Because, if so, you are way off base.
Not quite. It's more that the preparations people have in mind (from what I can tell) are already accounted for by the same system they're trying to avoid. The Antithesis is not a real alternative, it is only one half of the plan. And as for the "point", I leave that up to the individual believer to determine, since you may find a way to incorporate any number of scenarios into your effort to serve the Kingdom of God. Certainly I would say that a believer should never think the "point" of life is to survive.
"Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it; but whoever will lose it will preserve it." (Luke 17:33)
P.S. The verse you quote, "Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it; but whoever will lose it will preserve it." needs to be understood in context. The Apostle Paul, for example, took steps to "save his life" on a number of occasions.
Passages like this either mean, "You must give up your old life, and your past aspirations, if you want to get to heaven", or "If you reach a 'crunch point' where you can save your skin by denying the Faith, then you'll lose your salvation if you do so".
I'd very much agree with you that the type of practical preparations most 'preppers' seem to be undertaking won't enable them to survive in the medium-to-long term. It is .crucial. to be led of the Lord here, rather than act in one's own strength and wisdom.
And you'd be right to say that physical survival is not the *chief* point of the Christian life.
However, there is an extent to which we are meant to look after ourselves (not to mention our families), and if no believers make any practical preparations for the coming times, it's hard to see how Christ can return - since, biblically, there need to be some of us left when He comes back.
I don't mean to suggest that no Christian should do anything to increase their chances of survival. I lock my doors at night and look both ways before crossing the street, too. But *our* context, of our conversation, is specifically a long-term survival plan against a hegemonic satanic conspiracy. I don't think Paul made preparations to overcome the Roman Empire. He got arrested by the state and the Lord used him while he was in prison, and may have been killed in the end. I think you kind of proved my point there, no?
You emphasize being led by the Lord, and I would say the same thing about making preparations. Those who do not make preparations will be used by the Lord for some things, and those who do will be used by the Lord for other things. The important thing is that we're not deluded into promoting solutions that give false hope. Because when the 'crunch point' does arrive, and someone believes that God gave them a survival plan so they wouldn't have to suffer, that person is more likely to blame God.
'And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose.' (Romans 8:28) This was said to the very people who ended up suffering tribulation, going to prison, or dying for their faith. So "for the good" does not mean "for the worldly benefit" or "for the prosperity", but for the good of their soul and their mission.
Does that sound reasonable?
1) You appear to have ducked my point that, if no believer makes any practical preparations in the context of "long-term survival", it is hard to see how *any* Christians will be around when the Lord returns.
2) I do not understand your reference to Paul here. He was not facing the End-Time inability to buy or sell, nor (m)any of the other problems we believers will have to endure. (And he wasn't "arrested". He "appealed to Caesar" in order to "save his life"!)
3) You say, "Those who do not make preparations will be used by the Lord for some things". But the issue is this: If God has warned someone that a flood is on the way, and that person does not do anything about it *and* doesn't seek the Lord as to what He would have them do, I do not see the Lord protecting them, as they are surely "putting him to the test".
4) I feel you are erecting a straw man regarding suffering. No-one in their right mind would imagine that, just because God had directed a group of believers to make practical preparations in the context of long-term survival in the End-Times, that none of them will suffer - or even that none of them will be caught and killed at some stage.
Okay let's look at your points one by one, then:
1) Only a handful of Israelite Christians will be alive when the Lord returns, as I explained at length in my book Maybe Everyone Is Wrong. They are known as the 144,000, and most of Revelation revolves around them, not us. Today's church will most likely be killed in the greatest time of evil in history before all that. The breaking of the fifth seal even shows us martyrs in heaven who are confused about why the Lord isn't avenging them or stopping the killing on earth, and God tells them to relax and wait until the rest are killed too.
2) Paul was arrested. He was in chains while speaking to the governor. That's the definition of being arrested. But as for buying and selling, who is stopping you from doing that? Nobody, it's more easy than ever. The "End-Time" is not some cartoonish 7 year period of Christians not being able to go shopping, you know.
3) Why do you keep bringing up "seeking the Lord as to what He would have them do"? Did God personally tell you to go plant corn and load up on ammunition, or whatever you think will save you? Not at all. You have no evidence that God wants you to become a survivalist rather than a martyr who testifies. Just look at Luke 21:
"But before all this [ie. the return of Christ], they will seize you [arrest you] and persecute you. On account of My name they will deliver you to the synagogues and prisons [arrested], and they will bring you before kings and governors. ***13This will be your opportunity to serve as witnesses. 14So make up your mind not to worry beforehand how to defend yourselves.*** 15For I will give you speech and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict."
WHOOPS. Did you catch it? ***This will be your opportunity to serve as witnesses. So make up your mind NOT TO WORRY BEFOREHAND HOW TO DEFEND YOURSELVES.*** That is 100% opposite of becoming a survivalist who tries to flee and protect themselves and their families.
So let's be clear: we are specifically that we SHOULD serve as witnesses AFTER we are "seized" (arrested) and brought before governors and kings in synagogues and PRISONS. That's completely different than hiding away in a secluded cabin and hoping nobody messes with you. We are not supposed to even try to avoid it.
4) I absolutely do believe that the survivalists will suffer... but just not for the Gospel or any spiritually important cause. They will suffer because they put their faith in worldly wisdom, into a psyop created by the conspiracy. They will be led around by false leaders, wolves in sheep's clothing. Many will resort to disgraceful acts, spiritual compromises, betraying other Christians, etc. because they love their lives.
I don't know what you believe, but I do know that Pop Christianity has a fairy tale about the magical spooky Antichrist and the 7 Year No-Shopping Tribulation, where those who stock up on canned food and learn to fish will last until Jesus comes to save them. The whole point of my ministry is to rethink those tired old assumptions and look more closely at the full picture of prophecy and the warnings we're given.
If you want to maximize your chances of survival, go for it. Maybe you will have success and do great things, and I wish you the best in that. But don't pretend that God gave you those instructions.
oops, meant to say last three paragraphs on the mark for who you both are - and what believers are to face going forward (stay true to the Cross of course)